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Howard Dent
post 30 Apr 2013, 22:06
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Those that read every line of the UK's Classic Car Weekly paper will have spotted the lineage ad for a Series II Isis Traveller just like me; I had to find out more, could this be one I didn't know about? A quick phone call had me chatting to the vendor, who told me the story of it's export to Holland about ten years ago by an enthusiast, then it's return to the UK having stood out for all that time (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Some speedy mental thought processes had me wondering if this Dark Green/Grey example was a car I had viewed back in the late eighties (and it was rotten then) - so a visit to Essex was planned and executed. The car did indeed turn out to be the car I thought it might be - now re-registered, but definitely the same vehicle.

It's not nice, and will not be restored in my opinion - but good to tick it off the list.

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Doesn't look too bad here, but...

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Oh dear, the windows have fallen in because there is no structure left!

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The other side's not much better - the 'B' post has dropped off (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

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And this is the paint equivalent of crazy paving.

I should also add that the sills are detached both sides, about 30% of the floor is missing presumed rust, the main chassis is rotted out behind the cross member, the boot floor resembles a colander, the front inner wings are interesting - where should I stop - and the interior, well let's say the weather hasn't been kind to it since the windows fell in (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Happy Days.

Howard.
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post 1 May 2013, 10:35
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That is well gone,maybe good for bits and pieces door handles etc.Ted
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post 1 May 2013, 10:41
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...and someone has paid for it to be shipped back from overseas!

What a pity for it to end up like that.

Perhaps the only thing that could save it is if several sets of wood were made up and the same thing for the back metal panels. Some repair panels for Ambassador would fit, if they were available.
And even then it is still going to be hard work with upholstery etc.
Even if you were given it for free...
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post 1 May 2013, 18:58
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QUOTE (webmonster @ 1 May 2013, 11:41 ) *
...and someone has paid for it to be shipped back from overseas!

What a pity for it to end up like that.

Perhaps the only thing that could save it is if several sets of wood were made up and the same thing for the back metal panels. Some repair panels for Ambassador would fit, if they were available.
And even then it is still going to be hard work with upholstery etc.
Even if you were given it for free...


Well, it wasn't free but I found myself agreeing to buy it...

I need help, even though I didn't pay anywhere near the asking price (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Anyway, the bit I failed to mention was that there was a pair of NOS rear side panels in the back - look at the pics carefully - and it's overdrive equipped. So some organ retrieval will follow, before I dump the remains!

Pressing on.
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post 1 May 2013, 22:20
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QUOTE (Howard Dent @ 2 May 2013, 06:58 ) *
Well, it wasn't free but I found myself agreeing to buy it...

I need help, even though I didn't pay anywhere near the asking price (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

I'll bet your wife is thrilled to bits with you (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
So, the seller thought it was worth a large sum of money, then?

How does it compare to the one you've recently sold?
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Anyway, the bit I failed to mention was that there was a pair of NOS rear side panels in the back - look at the pics carefully - and it's overdrive equipped. So some organ retrieval will follow, before I dump the remains!

Hmmm! NOS panels in the back.
Is it worth getting someone like Iain to measure up and take details of the panels so he can make them up to order?
...or perhaps he would weld them into his traveller instead and send you back some cardboard cut-outs (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

You seem to have quite the knack at finding Isi with overdrive. I know of none in NZ with them, and very few Wolseley 6/90s were so equipped, it seems.
You should send one to me (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post 2 May 2013, 22:49
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QUOTE (webmonster @ 1 May 2013, 23:20 ) *
I'll bet your wife is thrilled to bits with you (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
So, the seller thought it was worth a large sum of money, then?


Er, she is currently unaware of the 'new' additions existence - I must have failed to mention it...
And it was advertised at a wholly unlikely amount, £1350 to be precise!

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How does it compare to the one you've recently sold?


Definitely not as good - LCT is eminently saveable, but this one would take a super hero with about ten years on their hands just to get it solid again. I will take pics when it arrives of course - then you'll see.

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Hmmm! NOS panels in the back.
Is it worth getting someone like Iain to measure up and take details of the panels so he can make them up to order?
...or perhaps he would weld them into his traveller instead and send you back some cardboard cut-outs (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


I have put Iain in the picture, and one way or another I think what you suggest will ultimately be the case - which is good, although I'm not fussed about any cardboard templates. I have a pair of NOS ones of my own (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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You seem to have quite the knack at finding Isi with overdrive. I know of none in NZ with them, and very few Wolseley 6/90s were so equipped, it seems.
You should send one to me (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Funny how it goes sometimes - the first Isis I owned was overdrive equipped but it was another horrid car and I sent it banger racing without saving any parts, then the second one I had I sold when I got married with an overdrive 'box chucked in the boot 'I was going to fit this' style. I then went through a long barren period of no overdrive gearboxes before acquiring several in a short time - one from eBay for £10! Sorry Robert (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

If you ever ship me a van I'll send back a gearbox...
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post 2 May 2013, 23:44
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QUOTE (Howard Dent @ 3 May 2013, 10:49 ) *
Er, she is currently unaware of the 'new' additions existence - I must have failed to mention it...

(IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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And it was advertised at a wholly unlikely amount, £1350 to be precise!

(IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) A bargain!
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Definitely not as good - LCT is eminently saveable, but this one would take a super hero with about ten years on their hands just to get it solid again. I will take pics when it arrives of course - then you'll see.

Yuck. I don't suspect that you would trash an Isis Traveller unless it was truely nasty...
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I have put Iain in the picture, and one way or another I think what you suggest will ultimately be the case

Excellent. I doubt that he would do a roaring trade in these panels, but we do know there are several Oxford/Isis Travellers worldwide that are in the throes of restoration. Pity that no one has done anything similar in the last c.20 years...
Now, to sort out wood measurements...
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one from eBay for £10! Sorry Robert (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

Harumph! (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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If you ever ship me a van I'll send back a gearbox...

(IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Piece of cake... sounds like a fair swap (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post 6 May 2013, 08:17
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QUOTE (webmonster @ 3 May 2013, 00:44 ) *
(IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

(IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) A bargain!

Yuck. I don't suspect that you would trash an Isis Traveller unless it was truely nasty...

Excellent. I doubt that he would do a roaring trade in these panels, but we do know there are several Oxford/Isis Travellers worldwide that are in the throes of restoration. Pity that no one has done anything similar in the last c.20 years...
Now, to sort out wood measurements...

Harumph! (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

(IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Piece of cake... sounds like a fair swap (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)



Sounds most exciting! Says he getting prepared for a rush of orders! (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Actually, the small potential market suits me - large batches of panels I find a bit much to make. (Probably due to spendign 5 years working for a company making Radiator cowls for new Morgans - about 2,500 I think (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) )
Anyway I'm happy these days to fill in the niche in the market for low volume, more obscure repair panels that would eb uneconomic for the big compnaies to produce. Morris J type vans and the more unusual Minor varients seem about at my level, though I'm just starting a batch of 20 prs of Minor van rear inner wings which will test the boredom threshhold a little.... A few Isis bits will be a bit of light relief (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post 11 May 2013, 04:28
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QUOTE (Carcruiser @ 6 May 2013, 20:17 ) *
Anyway I'm happy these days to fill in the niche in the market for low volume, more obscure repair panels that would eb uneconomic for the big compnaies to produce. Morris J type vans and the more unusual Minor varients seem about at my level, though I'm just starting a batch of 20 prs of Minor van rear inner wings which will test the boredom threshhold a little.... A few Isis bits will be a bit of light relief (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I think you've got a nice wee selection of bits available for interesting vehicles. Of course I am a bit biased towards Morris stuff (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
If you were able to supply Isis/Oxford Traveller specific metal bits I think that would be amazing. Repair panels for the Isis would be pretty clever - the inner and outer front wings are probably the main bits unique to the Isis (not shared with Oxfords/Cowleys) along with the splash panels between the inner and outer wings.

How do you make your replacement panels? Do you take measurements and photos and work from that?
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post 11 May 2013, 14:13
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QUOTE (webmonster @ 11 May 2013, 05:28 ) *
If you were able to supply Isis/Oxford Traveller specific metal bits I think that would be amazing. Repair panels for the Isis would be pretty clever - the inner and outer front wings are probably the main bits unique to the Isis (not shared with Oxfords/Cowleys) along with the splash panels between the inner and outer wings.


I think you have hit the nail on the head - there is no one who makes any repair panels for 'our' family of cars - c'mon Iain, what are you waiting for!!

Seriously though - I think there would be a steady market for custom made repair panels if Iain could be enticed into a little manufacturing. Here's my thought of what would be useful;

1. Outer half of floor pans (front and rear)

2. Inner sill (easy to fold if you have the equipment)

3. Front inner wing repair panel (where it's double skinned for shock absorber mount)

4. Rear wheel arch hockey stick (where the back of the sill curves up into the arch)

5. Door bottoms (skin and frame)

6. Front wing (rear) section - adjacent to 'A' post

I'm not sure there would be a huge amount of interest in Traveller rear wings but creating a set of drawings would be a big plus!

I think there were some repair panels available from India a few years ago, but the supply dried up - so there's a gap in the market.

My threepennyworth (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/coffee.gif)
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QUOTE (Howard Dent @ 12 May 2013, 02:13 ) *
I think you have hit the nail on the head - there is no one who makes any repair panels for 'our' family of cars - c'mon Iain, what are you waiting for!!

Seriously though - I think there would be a steady market for custom made repair panels if Iain could be enticed into a little manufacturing. Here's my thought of what would be useful;

1. Outer half of floor pans (front and rear)

2. Inner sill (easy to fold if you have the equipment)

3. Front inner wing repair panel (where it's double skinned for shock absorber mount)

4. Rear wheel arch hockey stick (where the back of the sill curves up into the arch)

5. Door bottoms (skin and frame)

6. Front wing (rear) section - adjacent to 'A' post

Yes, this seems to be the chief list of suspects, m'lud. What about outer sills? Are they the same as the 1100/1300?
Peter Torode's rear window parcel tray is rusted out from leaky window seals, so I imagine this must be a prone panel too.
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I'm not sure there would be a huge amount of interest in Traveller rear wings but creating a set of drawings would be a big plus!

Yes, certainly not high demand, but if it were known that the unique Traveller panels and wood were available to special order from accurate drawings that might make more restorations feasible e.g. the Series III Traveller I sold some years ago - I think it is still around, but stored. The mooted repair panels 1-6 above would also have helped immeasurably!
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I think there were some repair panels available from India a few years ago, but the supply dried up - so there's a gap in the market.

Seeing as they are still making them, I think it might be worth trying to get hold of some repair panels from India to see:
a/ if it is possible to get some at reasonable cost
b/ if they are of good enough accuracy and quality to make the project worthwhile.

Otherwise yes to Iain being the purveyor of fine panels for Oxford/Cowley/Isis. The official supplier of the Morris Forum. Or something. (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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