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post 16 Dec 2012, 08:57
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How many are there left in the world?

There has been a chat about how many Isis Travellers there are left in the 'All things Isis' sub-forum, but what about the Oxfords and Landmasters?

Howard commented that there are less series II/III Oxford Travellers (7) known about than Isis Travellers (13). These are world-wide figures too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Might as well add the MO traveller here too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

MO Oxford:
UK: FAG 268, ODV 448, NOA/773 XUE, PYD 941 =4
Australia: 09126.H, 53.MOT
NZ: 1
Which country? GCX 244

Series II Oxford:
UK: ZV 8222, MBL 118, KNL 729, 311 PR (beige), GSJ 749, 795 DMT?, green one sold in 2011 on interwebs FGL 294? (see pic below) RVS 719 =8
Sweden: U49651
NZ: 1
Which country? CA41914 found on internet for sale


Series III Oxford:
Sweden: 1
Malta: 1
NZ: 1 (+1 coachbuilt on a 1/2 ton commercial chassis)

Series IV Oxford (not a woody):


Landmasters:
??

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post 16 Dec 2012, 09:13
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Photos of the series III Traveller I stored in Christchurch for many years:

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post 16 Dec 2012, 09:34
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QUOTE (webmonster @ 16 Dec 2012, 08:57 ) *
How many are there left in the world?

There has been a chat about how many Isis Travellers there are left in the 'All things Isis' sub-forum, but what about the Oxfords and Landmasters?

Howard commented that there are less series II/III Oxford Travellers (7) known about than Isis Travellers (13). These are world-wide figures too (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Might as well add the MO traveller here too (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

MO Oxford:
UK: FAG 268, ODV 448, NOA/773 XUE, PYD 941
Australia: 09126.H, 53.MOT
NZ: 1
Which country? GCX 244

Series II Oxford:
UK: ZV 8222, MBL 118, KNL 729 (date of liability 2008?). There were adverts online for 2 sold in the UK in the last year or so. I didn't keep track of them (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
Sweden: U49651
NZ: 1
Which country? CA41914 found on internet for sale

Series III Oxford:
Sweden: 1
NZ: 1 (+1 coachbuilt on a 1/2 ton commercial chassis)

Series IV Oxford (not a woody):


Landmasters:
??


There were certainly only a couple on the books of the owners club when I edited the magazine; you have MBL listed, and here's the one Series III we had in Malta.

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Also, there was one for sale this year on the south coast - not seen it in the flesh but it looks nice.

Attached File  Series_II_Oxf_Trav_for_sale_Poole_2012.jpg ( 12.24K ) Number of downloads: 0


Here's another Series III image I was sent some years ago - I don't reckon it survives as this pic was taken in the eighties, but who knows - the registration is THP 519 and the picture was taken by Jon Presnell (he of Classic and Sportscar magazine)!

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I think the Series IV far outweighs the others in survival terms because it is all steel?

Howard.

PS Robert - your old Series III is almost as bad as some of mine (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post 16 Dec 2012, 10:00
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QUOTE (Howard Dent @ 16 Dec 2012, 22:34 ) *
Also, there was one for sale this year on the south coast - not seen it in the flesh but it looks nice.
Attached File  Series_II_Oxf_Trav_for_sale_Poole_2012.jpg ( 12.24K ) Number of downloads: 0

Thanks! That is one of them.

What about this green one (from around Sept 2011):
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I think the Series IV far outweighs the others in survival terms because it is all steel?

Do you think there are 'quite a few' left? Lots more than series II/III for sure...
The all steel construction would surely help, also being made until 1960??

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PS Robert - your old Series III is almost as bad as some of mine (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Unfortunately welding is still not a skill I have even tried yet, so restoring this one was not possible for me. It needed lots done. Looked a lot like Emil L's one before he started! At least it was complete.
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post 16 Dec 2012, 16:14
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There's a Series IV for sale up here in Canada. I reeeally want to buy it but it's just too far away. He's asking $CAD 500

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post 17 Dec 2012, 07:56
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QUOTE (mwgiesbrecht @ 17 Dec 2012, 05:14 ) *
There's a Series IV for sale up here in Canada. I reeeally want to buy it but it's just too far away. He's asking $CAD 500

Interesting to see the trafficators - these were only fitted to RHD markets (UK, Australia, NZ...) What side is the steering wheel on?
Doesn't look too bad at all. Bonnet hinges are 'interesting', upholstery looks like it has been cared for in the standard way for Canadian Oxfords (wild dogs & bears (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )
That missing bit of chrome from the top of the front wing could be hard to replace in N. America.
What is the engine like?
$500 sounds pretty good. I guess it is unlikely to go anywhere before the end of winter. How far away is it?
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post 17 Dec 2012, 16:10
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QUOTE (webmonster @ 17 Dec 2012, 01:56 ) *
Interesting to see the trafficators - these were only fitted to RHD markets (UK, Australia, NZ...) What side is the steering wheel on?
Doesn't look too bad at all. Bonnet hinges are 'interesting', upholstery looks like it has been cared for in the standard way for Canadian Oxfords (wild dogs & bears (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )
That missing bit of chrome from the top of the front wing could be hard to replace in N. America.
What is the engine like?
$500 sounds pretty good. I guess it is unlikely to go anywhere before the end of winter. How far away is it?


Good catch Robert, it is a RHD!
Never you mind those dogs and bears... But yes it does need a fair bit of work, more than my current Oxford for sure.
As for the engine, I got the standard "was running when parked" answer. But it was used as a daily driver by the guy and it was only parked a few years ago.
$500 is a steal in my opinion, but.......it's 2500, yes that's 2500 kilometres away. (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

In other news, if you look at the picture again, see that green van thing behind the car? I think that's a Morris J2! Maybe it's a good thing this guy lives far away... (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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post 17 Dec 2012, 20:22
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QUOTE (mwgiesbrecht @ 17 Dec 2012, 16:10 ) *
In other news, if you look at the picture again, see that green van thing behind the car? I think that's a Morris J2! Maybe it's a good thing this guy lives far away... (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

It is and the one further up with "Westair" on it is a J4.

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post 18 Dec 2012, 08:12
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QUOTE (mwgiesbrecht @ 18 Dec 2012, 05:10 ) *

That is a fair distance, even if you were going to drive it back!
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In other news, if you look at the picture again, see that green van thing behind the car? I think that's a Morris J2! Maybe it's a good thing this guy lives far away... (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

P45 has confirmed its J2-ness. What on earth is a J2 doing in Canada?
It is hard to imagine a J2 competing with a large engined North American van.

Did you know that the J2 has the same steering wheel as a series II Oxford? Useless fact of the day...
...and the same engine. 0-50mph in 60 seconds (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post 18 Dec 2012, 13:40
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...and the same engine. 0-50mph in 60 seconds


What would the Oxfords 0-50 be?

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post 18 Dec 2012, 16:18
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QUOTE (Danny @ 18 Dec 2012, 07:40 ) *
What would the Oxfords 0-50 be?


0-70mph in 45 seconds is what is quoted in an Autocar review. However, webmonster will probably have a better idea of what it actually is.
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QUOTE (webmonster @ 18 Dec 2012, 02:12 ) *
That is a fair distance, even if you were going to drive it back!

P45 has confirmed its J2-ness. What on earth is a J2 doing in Canada?
It is hard to imagine a J2 competing with a large engined North American van.

Did you know that the J2 has the same steering wheel as a series II Oxford? Useless fact of the day...
...and the same engine. 0-50mph in 60 seconds (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want that J2. Might have to pay this guy a visit, I have a good friend that lives near him. He'll probably want stupid money for it, though.
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Sad, but I want the J4..........

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Do you think he'd take $1200 Canadian for the Oxford and the J2? Would anyone here take that if you owned them?
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QUOTE (mwgiesbrecht @ 18 Dec 2012, 22:59 ) *
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Do you think he'd take $1200 Canadian for the Oxford and the J2? Would anyone here take that if you owned them?


Matt - I would but I'm very generous (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I have just found a couple more Series II Traveller pics for your delectation - enjoy...

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Saw this car about 6 or 8 years ago - might still exist I guess, it wasn't that bad, really!

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This one is probably the best; it was restored some years ago over a very long period using many original NOS parts if I remember correctly - I have the article somewhere, but it was for sale for around £7k in 2007.

PS How do I change the bmp pic to a jpeg? I hate computers...
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(IMG:http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8497/8285176695_d274e0cc67.jpg)
Traveller_beige by ThePenguin45, on Flickr

Right click on image, select "Save As" and dump into picture file on 'puter fingy. Upload to hosting site; you will find that your mothers brother is indeed called Robert.

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Is there any trace of 795 DMT on the national database?
From the photos it doesn't look too bad really, but that was 6-8 years ago...
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QUOTE (mwgiesbrecht @ 19 Dec 2012, 11:59 ) *
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Do you think he'd take $1200 Canadian for the Oxford and the J2? Would anyone here take that if you owned them?

If he wants $500 for the Oxford then why not offer $1000 for both?
Before you throw caution to the wind get more info about both vehicles and (thinking very boringly here) - do you have space to store them?

I imagine that J2/A152 spares (especially trim) are probably harder to get than even our humble Oxfords.

I do have a spare J2/A152 gearbox though...

...and get some quotes for what would transport costs could be for 2,500 km
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QUOTE (webmonster @ 19 Dec 2012, 07:45 ) *
Is there any trace of 795 DMT on the national database?
From the photos it doesn't look too bad really, but that was 6-8 years ago...


It's not on the DVLA computer, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's no longer with us - looking at the picture again, I think the owner had died and the family had inherited it but dismantled the garage/shed from around it.

Thanks for the technical info - I stared at the screen for about 30 mins before giving up yesterday (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/angry.gif)

I've got some NOS lamps for a J2 in the shed I think, and a NOS steering wheel, and a NOS trafficator/horn bar thingy...

I bet you're all jealous now (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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QUOTE (webmonster @ 19 Dec 2012, 01:53 ) *
If he wants $500 for the Oxford then why not offer $1000 for both?
Before you throw caution to the wind get more info about both vehicles and (thinking very boringly here) - do you have space to store them?

I imagine that J2/A152 spares (especially trim) are probably harder to get than even our humble Oxfords.

I do have a spare J2/A152 gearbox though...

...and get some quotes for what would transport costs could be for 2,500 km


I like the way you think, Robert. (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) $1000 is better than $1200
I know, I know, I'm being an impulse buyer again....but really space isn't an issue (at the moment).

I contacted another friend that lives almost the same distance away in the other direction, he lives near Toronto, and apparently there's a rusted out shell of an Austin J2 sitting beside a barn. So I do have some sort of a source if I do decide to buy the J2

Ah yes, the transport. Cheapest so far is actually to make two trips with a truck and a rented car trailer. But that's not going to happen because I don't have that kind of time. Next cheapest is probably a shipping container, and that'll be $1500 in itself... (IMG:http://www.wolseleyforum.com/style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
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