How many out there??, Hornets and wasps Options

[Bull]

Probably not much of a topic but has anyone a rough idea of how many are still out there? Also my wasp motor had seized in no 3 cylinder and another one in the forum also had trouble with No3 piston (is it coincidence or a fault?)

[paul barrett]

I'm sure that Nishka may be able to help with the number of survivors.

[Nishka]

Taken from the Wolseley Production Figures topic here. We can see the total production figures for the Hornet, Wasp and Nine (which I have included for completeness).

Model	Production Period	Number Produced
Hornet	1930 - 1931	6943
Hornet Saloon	1932 - 1935	19723
Hornet Saloon	1935 - 1936	2565
Hornet Special 12	1932 - 1934	2307
Hornet Special 14	1935	148
Nine	1934 - 1935	7201
Wasp	1935 - 1936	5815

Following on from this we can expand this information to include chassis number runs and number of known survivors. This information must be taken at face value, detailed records of the production of Wolseley vehicles is not available for the years between 1939 and 1949.

The figure quoted in the 'Number Known to Survive' column, are an indication only, it is thought that anything up to twice as many of each vehicle could be still around, but their whereabouts are unknown. If you have any of these models and would like to know if yours is recorded, just drop me a PM with your vehicles car number, engine number and any other information you have about it and I will check to see if it is.

Hornets, Nines and Wasps (See note 1)
Model	Production Period/Year	Car Number Series	Batch Number	Number Known to Survive	Notes
Hornet	1930 - 1931	80000 - 87130	CF3	25	.
Hornet Saloon	1932	87131 - 90000	55	17	.
		107001 - 109230	55		.
Hornet Chassis Only	1932	105001 - 105800	51	18	Note 2
Hornet Special	1932	106551 - 10700	65	12	.
Hornet Saloon	1933 - 1934	110001 - 119036	75	27	.
Hornet Special	1933	120501 - 121650	78	27	.
Hornet Saloon Freewheel	1934	145001 - 149962	107	14	.
Hornet Special	1934	155001 - 155535	114	36	Note 3
Hornet Special 14hp	1935	175501 - 175648	163	7	.
New Hornet Saloon	1935 - 1936	500001 - 502500	178	16	.
Nine	1934	130001 - 134000	112	53	.
Nine Eustace Watkins Tourer	1934	138551 - 138600	138	6	Note 4
Nine	1935	162001 - 165000	152	45	.
Wasp	1935 - 1936	200001 - 206000	177	62	Note 5

Notes:

1. This table does not include the 'Overseas Chassis Only' batches, which had Batch numbers of, 57, 81, 114 and 124.
2. The Hornet Chassis only is not a Hornet 'Special'. This model pre-dates the official Hornet 'Special' by several months.
3. Freewheel model.
4. It is not sure whether 50 or 80 of these models were produced.
5. The last known surviving Wasp is chassis number 205888, which happens to be mine!

E&EO - If you know of any figures that are incorrect, please let me know.

Nishka

[paul barrett]

Thank you Nishka I knew you would have the information.

[windrode]

Hi Nishka ,
My Hornet is a 1934 Freewheel saloon . The chassie number is 3318/107 . It does not come close to the numbers you have posted above .
That number is stamped on the left front chassie . Have you any answeres to why the difference ?
Regards Ivan

[Nishka]

Hi Nishka ,
My Hornet is a 1934 Freewheel saloon . The chassis number is 3318/107 . It does not come close to the numbers you have posted above .
That number is stamped on the left front chassis . Have you any answers to why the difference ?
Regards Ivan

You are quite correct Ivan, the numbers I have referred to as Chassis Numbers are actually Car Numbers. The Chassis number consists of a sequential identification number followed by the Batch number. In your cars case this would be the 3318th chassis produced in Batch 107. Although, I had your Hornet recorded as Chassis number 3310/107.

I don't have your Hornet's Car Number, but is should be somewhere between, 148275 and 148423, first registered sometime around June 1934.

Sorry for the confusion, it was late when I answered this post! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) I have amended the table to reflect this.

Nishka

[windrode]

Hi Nishka,
Thanks for up date . The chassie number you have is correct . I looked at the ownership papers I have and it looked like an 8 . I have checked the number on the chassie and it reads 3310/107 .
Thanks Ivan (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Bull]

Gidday,
Nishka my engine no., as stamped on the LHS, is 5884/139 (or 189). The no. on the block is 25416A. The No. 5884, is also stamped on the RHS of the block.
The chassis no., comes from a plate riveted on the firewall, with the no 205098, (but it has a date on this plate of 1927, a bit weird eh what!!)
How does this fit into our system?
Thanks so much for all your help.
(I pulled the head down to 38psi as it seemed quite tight, should I go to 40?)

Thanks, John.

[Nishka]

Gidday,
Nishka my engine no., as stamped on the LHS, is 5884/139 (or 189). The no. on the block is 25416A. The No. 5884, is also stamped on the RHS of the block.
The chassis no., comes from a plate riveted on the firewall, with the no 205098, (but it has a date on this plate of 1927, a bit weird eh what!!)
How does this fit into our system?
Thanks so much for all your help.
(I pulled the head down to 38psi as it seemed quite tight, should I go to 40?)

Thanks, John.

This fits in very well with the system John. The numbers you have given equate to the following:

5884/139 - Chassis Number and should read - 5884/189
205098 - Car number - this would indicate a car build very early (Jan) in 1936.
5884 (on block) - engine number

25416A - This is an interesting one. It would appear that out of the 60 something Wasps on my list, this number appears 3 times as the engine number, including on my own Wasp! This may well suggest that this is either, a part or casting number, or that it indicated a refurbished engine. I will have to investigate further.

The 1927 on the plate on the left hand side of the firewall, probably refers to the date of incorporation of The Wolseley Motor Company (1927) Ltd. This was the year that William Morris bought the company.

Thanks for letting me know these details, I have now amended the 'Number of Known Survivors' above, to reflect the fact, that I did not have this vehicle. I have sent you a PM regarding this as well.

Nishka

[Robb]

Nishka,

Thanks for that chart. I suspect that you've already gathered my information but here it is just in case: Sanction 78, car number 120599, obviously chasis 9978. Interestingly, the front axle is also stamped 99 but the rear differential housing is 100.

While restoring the body, I also found a body number which has no bearing on your list of course, but I'm very happy that it is stamped on a piece of wood that I didn't need to replace.

Now that I see that there are only 27 Sanction 78s known to survive, I'm less surprised that there doesn't seem to be another Daytona original with cycle fenders. I was told that the cycle fenders were going out of style by 1933.

Thanks for all the work,
Robb